Utopia Talk / Politics / lol europe and trains

Sam Adams Member	Mon Apr 28 11:47:03 Take the train. Public transportation! No one needs their own car! Lol now what. How many people are stranded?
williamthebastard Member	Mon Apr 28 11:52:58 Rofl! Banks! Factories! This is as idiotic as saying banks, factories, offices, everything that depends on electricity which is about 95% of society is all stupid because of the first national electricity collapse in the history of trains. What a fucking moron lol
Sam Adams Member	Mon Apr 28 12:44:59 Spanish trains still have people stuck on them after 6 hours without power. Lol.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Apr 28 13:02:22 End of the world scenes in super markets. Always funny to see people panic buy when things like this happen. If you are not prepared when it hits, you are fucked. And we all know the big one will come in our life time.
Pillz Member	Mon Apr 28 13:11:24 Tbh the supply chain was only fucked by dumb ass government shut downs and people buying everything at once for weeks. And even then just barely. It would take an actual regional catastrophe so large in scale it depopulates the planet as a result to actually fuck the supply chain. Or some actually lethal and highly contagious manufactured bioweapon. But dinky little natural disasters, power outages, and fake pandemics are never going to affect shit in a real way. (I'm not ruling out those as causes for artificial 'restriction' but they themselves amount to nothing)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Apr 28 13:36:53 We will need a a series of misfortunate events, yes. I think there is a non-negligible risk that happens in my lifetime.
murder Member	Mon Apr 28 19:57:16 How was Russia responsible for this?
Sam Adams Member	Mon Apr 28 23:34:31 Imagine being a euro... too poor to own cars... so you take a train with the other plebs. Then your train breaks down because there is no electricity. Its a high speed train so there are no windows that can be rolled down. Its hot as fuck and stuffy and crowded. City folk are babbling and crying all over and you are stuck next to some skinny micro faggot. Theres no more food or even water. The toilets start overflowing. Rofl. Youd need to travel business class just to stay away from the crowds of scum, but you cant afford that either. And your still stuck on a shitty train.
Dukhat Member	Tue Apr 29 00:04:12 All right-wingers do is obsess about irrelevant anecdotes about people they don't care about thousand of miles away ... All the reinforce their priors like the lazy little bitches they are.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 29 00:05:44 Yeah, but a lot of them are mentally ill. Pillz is a suicidal amphetamin addict, Sam Oddams was found unfit for service due to mental illness etc etc etc.
Dukhat Member	Tue Apr 29 00:47:33 The secret to Republicans doing so well versus other far-right politics is because of how poorly moderated social media is in the United States. Trump targets voters with surgical efficiency thanks to big data and big tech social media complicity particularly from facebook and twitter. It both activates and turns off voters that they want and they eke their candidate over the finish line. If America had real laws against mistruth like overseas, we wouldn't get such trash posts and terrible depression-causing policies.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Apr 29 01:12:55 The scale of outage is huge. Like how?
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 29 04:31:26 "The secret to Republicans doing so well versus other far-right politics is because of how poorly moderated social media is in the United States." This is exactly true, and its why the far right has spread abrood too. Social media around the western world is largely US owned and abides by their shitty pro- far right moderation. Without that, the far right would not be anywhere near as big a threat to the world. All leading universities in any western country have mounds of research on how the far right occupied the internet and according to Oxford Uni spreads more lies than all other political groups together. Internet trolls have literally seized power, particularly over the US. Bigfoot morons, fake moon-landing conspiracists and KKK cranks that we used to just shake our heads at became unionized and organized just by lying on their couch with empty beer cans lying on the floor, clicking on buttons on their screen without even having to get up.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 29 04:35:39 Its why countries like France, who have always been leary of too much US influence over their proud French culture and have seen Nazist expansion up close, are talking more and more about Facebook, X et al either abiding by European standards or getting heavily fined. Because their lack of moderation of alt-right/neofascism is harming their society.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Apr 29 05:04:09 The rise of the far right is an internet phenomenon
Rugian Member	Tue Apr 29 07:39:43 lol at this entire thread. Sam makes a perfectly reasonable (if somewhat provocative) post about how western Europe's electricity system suffered a serious failure. A worthy topic of discussion by any reasonable definition. How do the European and American leftists on this board respond? By talking about how conservatives need to be censored off of the internet. rofl
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 29 08:38:51 Lol indeed. Cuckhat your own desperate cry for tyranny is why you lose, or at least one of the many reasons. Especially ironic in a thread showing the failure of centralized organization.
murder Member	Tue Apr 29 09:56:48 I can only assume that the roadways in Spain and Portugal aren't doing much better. -
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 29 10:18:49 Uhhh, roads dont turn off when the power goes out. Lights at intersections do but then they just revert to stop signs. It is very obvious that it is better to be in your own car when things go tits up than any form of public transport.
murder Member	Tue Apr 29 11:38:34 There will be traffic jams and you can't gas up.
Pillz Member	Tue Apr 29 11:56:00 Cuckhat, read a book instead of watching your wife get blacked.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 29 12:06:55 "There will be traffic jams" In cities, ya. In rural areas and interstates, no. "and you can't gas up." Sometimes. Many gas stations have generators. Even in the worst case scenario you are much less fucked than you are on a train.
Seb Member	Tue Apr 29 12:08:56 Sam fails to understand that diesel electric trains exist.
Seb Member	Tue Apr 29 12:09:13 And that electric cars exist
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 29 12:14:47 Lol seb. The majority of your trains are electric, and that is increasing too. Electric cars store their own electricity and are not immediately fucked the way your trains are.
Pillz Member	Tue Apr 29 12:15:27 The future of European commuter travel rests with disesl -seb
Seb Member	Tue Apr 29 14:03:48 Sam: Most trains have some degree of backup (battery or onboard diesel generator) and diesel electric locos exist also. The main issue here is a total grid collapse means you lose the signals network and it's not safe to move; and very few things have enough backup to operate for a very long time. Electric cars don't store 7 hours of driving time. Pillz: Backup moron.
Pillz Member	Tue Apr 29 14:19:04 "Most trains have some degree of backup (battery or onboard diesel generator) and diesel electric locos exist also. The main issue here is a total grid collapse means you lose the signals network and it's not safe to move; and very few things have enough backup to operate for a very long time. " - The future of European commuter travel rests with disesl (Seb) "Pillz: Backup moron." Yes ty for supporting my quote with your own words.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 29 15:12:37 "Most trains have some degree of backup" Not the ones in spain obviously. Lol. "Electric cars don't store 7 hours of driving time." But most have enough to get you to a much much better place than you would be if you were instead stuck in a shitty train. Most of the time you just go home. If you are on a longer trip you go to a hotel. The grid fucks up and all your trains die instantly. Lol. Trains.
Seb Member	Tue Apr 29 15:31:06 Sam: They do actually. You think stretches of overhead wires never go down? When they do does the whole line stop? Nope. But if the signals are down, then speeds are limited for safety, and if you are in the middle of a long intercity line, then it may be too far for backups. High speed trains are crazy efficient in power terms once they get moving so you don't need much backup capacity to keep the train going for a long distance *if* you can move at speed. But limping along at a few tens of miles an hour is a different kettle of fish entirely. Essentially you are doing the equivalent of getting mad that the planes can't fly when all the airports and air traffic control is down and suggesting it's an intrinsic problem with jet engines as a concept. Just shows you don't know how stuff works. Like your confusion around the substation incident at Heathrow.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 29 18:41:14 "When they do does the whole line stop?" Yes. Trains suck. I would say especially british trains but somehow german trains suck the worst. "High speed trains are crazy efficient in power terms once they get moving so you don't need much backup capacity to keep the train going for a long distance *if* you can move at speed. But limping along at a few tens of miles an hour is a different kettle of fish entirely." Did you just try to say that high speed is more efficient than low speed? Violating every known law of physics and engineering ever? Lol you are losing it seb. That is an impressive mental decline. And you were not starting all that high.
Seb Member	Wed Apr 30 05:38:53 Sam: That was a rhetorical question to which the correct answer was "no, high speed trains do not stop when overhead wires go down because they have backup power". "Did you just try to say that high speed is more efficient than low speed?" That is correct - once up to speed it takes very little to keep operating and in terms of energy per mile traveled (the metric of merit here in getting to the next stop/electrical circuit in the event of outage of distribution ). It's acceleration that's the issue and low speed stop-start operation imposed by signals outage means you can't get very far before draining reserves. Congratulations on once again demonstrating you don't understand what you are talking about Sam.
Seb Member	Wed Apr 30 05:41:45 N.b. I explicitly stated we are talking power to travel distance. You need to actually understand operational conditions, not do spherical cow in vacuum thinking.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Apr 30 05:48:40 nonsense troll thread
Sam Adams Member	Wed Apr 30 08:31:48 "Congratulations on once again demonstrating you don't understand what you are talking about" Says the guy saying speed is efficient. Amazing. Your detatchement from reality grows greater each year.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Apr 30 08:34:02 "It's acceleration that's the issue" At sea level? In our thick atmosphere? Aha no.
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